Jestor: Nuggets Full Of Fool's Gold

[WillyJakkz]

Congrats to you then, I will be moving forward, probable will move forward if he doesn't sign today. Like I did with Hibbert, I pulled the offer day or two before he signed.

Would be a good thing to do. Derozan is surfing on his recent hype (Only scorer in the Lakers last year + Jestor talent in media).
But he is not worth more than 10 milions a year in my opinion.

For those who don’t know RAPTOR++, it is a tool that combine the ratings of each player (70%) and his efficiency in game (30%). Their capacities are weighted in order to value good rebounding for bigs for example.
The % in game is also considered in the ratings which probably change the balance from 70/30 to 60/40.

Filter : A player has to play more than 20 minutes a game and at least 55 games.
Main players over 80 out of ranking due to injuries : B.Griffin, P.George, C.Paul, A.Johnson, D.Wade, M.Gasol.

Here we go for the Top10 ranking by position after 2015/2016 CSL season!


Derozan fall short this year, count on him to be in top 10 next year.

SG:
1. James Harden - Houston rockets : 31.2pts, 51%, 5.8ast, 3.9rbd, 1.5stl, 0.5blk in 33min / EVAL: 96.7
2. Andre Iguodala - Houston rockets : 13.7pts, 49%, 6.1ast, 4.5rbd, 1.3stl, 0.6blk in 32.3min / EVAL: 80.4
3. Monta Ellis - Atlanta Hawks : 17.6pts, 46%, 5ast, 3.3rbd, 1.2stl, 0.3blk in 32.4min / EVAL: 79.5
4. Louis Williams - Portland Trailblazers : 15.8pts, 48%, 3.2ast, 2.2rbd, 0.5stl, 0.1blk in 23.8min / EVAL: 79.2
5. Dion Waiters - Washington Wizards : 19.4pts, 44%, 4.2ast, 4.2rbd, 1.5stl, 0.4blk in 34.5min / EVAL: 79.1
6. Nik Stauskas - Dallas Mavericks : 16.1pts, 49%, 1.3ast, 2.6rbd, 0.5stl, 0blk in 25.2min / EVAL: 77.7
7. Ben McLemore - Sacramento Kings : 11pts, 48%, 1ast, 2.3rbd, 1stl, 0.5blk in 21.1min / EVAL: 77.4
8. Klay Thompson - Milwaukee Bucks : 20.9pts, 44%, 2.7ast, 4.6rbd, 1.2stl, 0.5blk in 38.4min / EVAL: 76.8
9. Victor Oladipo - Minnesota Timberwolves : 15.4pts, 44%, 3.5ast, 4.8rbd, 1.6stl, 0.4blk in 33.6min / EVAL: 76.6
10. Nick Johnson - Oklahoma City Thunder : 15pts, 47%, 1.4ast, 3.2rbd, 0.9stl, 0.7blk in 25.7min / EVAL: 76.4

Behind (D.DeRozan, G.Harris, JR Smith)

So a guy that finished 11th and one you feel could be in the Top 10 this season isn't worth more than $10M?

What does this do to the value of your own rating system as at least half of the guys in the Top 10 make +$12M?

[Mattybriand]

Congrats to you then, I will be moving forward, probable will move forward if he doesn't sign today. Like I did with Hibbert, I pulled the offer day or two before he signed.

Would be a good thing to do. Derozan is surfing on his recent hype (Only scorer in the Lakers last year + Jestor talent in media).
But he is not worth more than 10 milions a year in my opinion.

For those who don’t know RAPTOR++, it is a tool that combine the ratings of each player (70%) and his efficiency in game (30%). Their capacities are weighted in order to value good rebounding for bigs for example.
The % in game is also considered in the ratings which probably change the balance from 70/30 to 60/40.

Filter : A player has to play more than 20 minutes a game and at least 55 games.
Main players over 80 out of ranking due to injuries : B.Griffin, P.George, C.Paul, A.Johnson, D.Wade, M.Gasol.

Here we go for the Top10 ranking by position after 2015/2016 CSL season!


Derozan fall short this year, count on him to be in top 10 next year.

SG:
1. James Harden - Houston rockets : 31.2pts, 51%, 5.8ast, 3.9rbd, 1.5stl, 0.5blk in 33min / EVAL: 96.7
2. Andre Iguodala - Houston rockets : 13.7pts, 49%, 6.1ast, 4.5rbd, 1.3stl, 0.6blk in 32.3min / EVAL: 80.4
3. Monta Ellis - Atlanta Hawks : 17.6pts, 46%, 5ast, 3.3rbd, 1.2stl, 0.3blk in 32.4min / EVAL: 79.5
4. Louis Williams - Portland Trailblazers : 15.8pts, 48%, 3.2ast, 2.2rbd, 0.5stl, 0.1blk in 23.8min / EVAL: 79.2
5. Dion Waiters - Washington Wizards : 19.4pts, 44%, 4.2ast, 4.2rbd, 1.5stl, 0.4blk in 34.5min / EVAL: 79.1
6. Nik Stauskas - Dallas Mavericks : 16.1pts, 49%, 1.3ast, 2.6rbd, 0.5stl, 0blk in 25.2min / EVAL: 77.7
7. Ben McLemore - Sacramento Kings : 11pts, 48%, 1ast, 2.3rbd, 1stl, 0.5blk in 21.1min / EVAL: 77.4
8. Klay Thompson - Milwaukee Bucks : 20.9pts, 44%, 2.7ast, 4.6rbd, 1.2stl, 0.5blk in 38.4min / EVAL: 76.8
9. Victor Oladipo - Minnesota Timberwolves : 15.4pts, 44%, 3.5ast, 4.8rbd, 1.6stl, 0.4blk in 33.6min / EVAL: 76.6
10. Nick Johnson - Oklahoma City Thunder : 15pts, 47%, 1.4ast, 3.2rbd, 0.9stl, 0.7blk in 25.7min / EVAL: 76.4

Behind (D.DeRozan, G.Harris, JR Smith)

So a guy that finished 11th and one you feel could be in the Top 10 this season isn't worth more than $10M?

What does this do to the value of your own rating system as at least half of the guys in the Top 10 make +$12M?

Where is the rest of this list!?!?

[Chilikonkarne]

But he is not worth more than 10 milions a year in my opinion.

10 millions seems the right price, more is an overpaid.
16M a year a big overpaid.

And if you check the ratings with other position, you will see SG is probably the weakest postion in the entire league.

[WillyJakkz]

But he is not worth more than 10 milions a year in my opinion.

10 millions seems the right price, more is an overpaid.
16M a year a big overpaid.

And if you check the ratings with other position, you will see SG is probably the weakest postion in the entire league.

Monta Ellis: http://csl.we.bs/105.html


DeMar DeRozan: http://csl.we.bs/385.html

Very comparable and Monta just got $13M and considered a "great" signing by ATL, why wouldn't DeRozan be worth as much?

[Jestor]

Because Monta has pass/handle/defense/steal all much better. In fact, Monta is a better PG from a floor general standpoint than anyone on Denver roster.

[Chilikonkarne]

Monta is also more regular over the years

2015 - Monta Ellis - Atlanta_Hawks : 17,6pts, 46%, 5ast, 3,3rbd, 1,2stl, 0,3blk in 32,4min / EVAL: 79,5
2014 - Monta Ellis - Detroit Pistons : 17,3pts, 45%, 5,6ast, 4,5rbd, 0,9stl, 0,3blk in 34,5min / EVAL: 78,7

2015 - Demar Derozan - LosAngeles_Lakers : 18pts, 47%, 1,1ast, 3,3rbd, 1stl, 0,1blk in 26,5min / EVAL: 75,6
2014 - Demar Derozan - Toronto Raptors : 18,9pts, 43%, 1,7ast, 4,9rbd, 0,8stl, 0,2blk in 34,8min / EVAL: 71,0

Derozan was brilliant with the Lakers because he was in the right system. But he was coming off the bench in Toronto and almost didn't play with the Clippers.

[WillyJakkz]

Because Monta has pass/handle/defense/steal all much better. In fact, Monta is a better PG from a floor general standpoint than anyone on Denver roster.

Could be argued ATL had a better supporting cast, which actually is true what am I thinking... and DeMar put up slightly better #'s/ %'s than Monta and this is with dapralbe as GM of the Hawks still who is experienced and runs a tight system just as you do.

I'd argue DeMar is the equivalent or better or valuable (age), I also you have a vested interest in DeMar just as the Nuggets GM but just pointing it out to Chili about the financial remark concerning DeRozan's projected value.

[Mattybriand]

nvm thanks willy

[Beercloud]

Willy wrote:
DeMar put up slightly better #'s/ %'s than Monta and this is with dapralbe as GM of the Hawks still who is experienced and runs a tight system just as you do.

Am i missing something? I'm a rookie GM and i don't even know what dapralbe means. lol

Ya i plan on rotating Ellis between the SG and PG positions. I'm hoping Williams and Vasquez help with that. But we'll see of course.
I like DeMar myself. But I couldn't afford to bid on him.

[GreenBear]

Willy wrote:
DeMar put up slightly better #'s/ %'s than Monta and this is with dapralbe as GM of the Hawks still who is experienced and runs a tight system just as you do.

Am i missing something? I'm a rookie GM and i don't even know what dapralbe means. lol

Ya i plan on rotating Ellis between the SG and PG positions. I'm hoping Williams and Vasquez help with that. But we'll see of course.
I like DeMar myself. But I couldn't afford to bid on him.

Haha, dapralbe was the screenname of the previous Atlanta GM

[Mattybriand]

Willy wrote:
DeMar put up slightly better #'s/ %'s than Monta and this is with dapralbe as GM of the Hawks still who is experienced and runs a tight system just as you do.

Am i missing something? I'm a rookie GM and i don't even know what dapralbe means. lol

Ya i plan on rotating Ellis between the SG and PG positions. I'm hoping Williams and Vasquez help with that. But we'll see of course.
I like DeMar myself. But I couldn't afford to bid on him.

Former GM's name is dapralbe and he was known for making a good team out of nothing

[Beercloud]

lol thanks.

I thought i was missing out on some new basketball jargon. I was prepared to brush up on it if need be. lol

[KW]

Willy wrote:
DeMar put up slightly better #'s/ %'s than Monta and this is with dapralbe as GM of the Hawks still who is experienced and runs a tight system just as you do.

Am i missing something? I'm a rookie GM and i don't even know what dapralbe means. lol

Ya i plan on rotating Ellis between the SG and PG positions. I'm hoping Williams and Vasquez help with that. But we'll see of course.
I like DeMar myself. But I couldn't afford to bid on him.

Former GM's name is dapralbe and he was known for making a good team out of nothing

ALSO KNOWN FOR ALL CAPS

[Sun Scorched]

Am i missing something? I'm a rookie GM and i don't even know what dapralbe means. lol

Ya i plan on rotating Ellis between the SG and PG positions. I'm hoping Williams and Vasquez help with that. But we'll see of course.
I like DeMar myself. But I couldn't afford to bid on him.

Former GM's name is dapralbe and he was known for making a good team out of nothing

ALSO KNOWN FOR ALL CAPS

HAHAHA - so true!

[GreenBear]

My favorite was when he called Ricky Rubio "Ricky Blonde" because he used a google translator I think

[Marcos_Beck]

Am i missing something? I'm a rookie GM and i don't even know what dapralbe means. lol

Ya i plan on rotating Ellis between the SG and PG positions. I'm hoping Williams and Vasquez help with that. But we'll see of course.
I like DeMar myself. But I couldn't afford to bid on him.

Former GM's name is dapralbe and he was known for making a good team out of nothing

ALSO KNOWN FOR ALL CAPS

Ohhhh how much I miss Daniel! Haha
He was a great guy for sure, but Atlanta seems to be in wise hands again now