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For those who don’t know RAPTOR++, it is a tool that combine the ratings of each player (70%) and his efficiency in game (30%). Their capacities are weighted in order to value good rebounding for bigs for example.
The % in game is also considered in the ratings which probably change the balance from 70/30 to 60/40.

The tool premiere objective is to evaluate players value when it comes to trade or free agency. It has it flaws with defensive aspects not taken into consideration (%STP, PA/SF)
However, I believe it bring a good overview in general and was well received last year by the league.
I decided not to include team record since I like to compare the players over the years.

2016 - Dante Exum - Utah : 20.1pts, 46%, 3.5ast, 4.6rbd, 1.2stl, 1.4blk in 32.6min / EVAL: 85.2
2015 - Dante Exum - Utah : 18.9pts, 47%, 3.8ast, 3.8rbd, 1.1stl, 1.2blk in 31.8min / EVAL: 77.3
2014 - Dante Exum - Utah : 12.4pts, 41%, 2.7ast, 3.4rbd, 0.8stl, 1.1blk in 26min / EVAL: 71.0


Filter : A player has to play more than 20 minutes a game and at least 5 games to be eligible

Here we go for the Top10 ranking by position after the first month of the 2016/2017 CSL season!


Point Guard

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Amazing beginning of season for Kemba Walker

#1 - Kemba Walker - Toronto : 30.3pts, 46%, 4.1ast, 5.3rbd, 1.8stl, 0.5blk in 33.2min / EVAL: 93.1
#2 - James Harden - Houston : 28.4pts, 49%, 4.6ast, 3.8rbd, 1.4stl, 0blk in 28.6min / EVAL: 91.9
#3 - Russell Westbrook - Minnesota : 33.5pts, 48%, 5.3ast, 5rbd, 2.1stl, 0.2blk in 39.8min / EVAL: 89.0
#4 - Eric Bledsoe - Phoenix : 20.6pts, 47%, 3.2ast, 3.3rbd, 1.4stl, 0.7blk in 26.9min / EVAL: 88.7
#5 - John Wall - Washington : 25pts, 48%, 6.7ast, 3.1rbd, 2.4stl, 0.9blk in 36.3min / EVAL: 88.2
#6 - Kyrie Irving - Cleveland : 27.8pts, 44%, 5.2ast, 5.9rbd, 0.6stl, 0.6blk in 36.8min / EVAL: 87.6
#7 - Derrick Rose - Chicago : 27.2pts, 49%, 4.1ast, 3rbd, 0.8stl, 1blk in 34.9min / EVAL: 86.9
#8 - Stephen Curry - Golden State : 21.8pts, 48%, 7.6ast, 4.2rbd, 1stl, 0.3blk in 34.5min / EVAL: 86.6
#9 - Goran Dragic - Memphis : 25.4pts, 52%, 7.6ast, 4.8rbd, 1.7stl, 0.1blk in 39.1min / EVAL: 85.2
#10 - Deron Williams - Philadelphia : 21pts, 51%, 7.3ast, 3.6rbd, 1.2stl, 0.3blk in 35.6min / EVAL: 84.2

Shooting Guard

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Finally on the top!

#1 - Paul George - Orlando: 33.6pts, 48%, 3.9ast, 6.9rbd, 2.5stl, 1.1blk in 34.8min / EVAL: 100.7
#2 - Dante Exum - Utah : 20.1pts, 46%, 3.5ast, 4.6rbd, 1.2stl, 1.4blk in 32.6min / EVAL: 85.2
#3 - James Young - Philadelphia : 11.6pts, 52%, 3.3ast, 2.8rbd, 1stl, 0.1blk in 21.2min / EVAL: 79.9
#4 - Victor Oladipo - Minnesota : 15pts, 48%, 2.4ast, 4.5rbd, 2.3stl, 0.5blk in 35.2min / EVAL: 78.6
#5 - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Detroit : 12.3pts, 46%, 3.8ast, 3.8rbd, 1.4stl, 0.5blk in 31.1min / EVAL: 77.7
#6 - Ben McLemore - Sacramento : 15.2pts, 47%, 1.8ast, 1.9rbd, 1stl, 0.6blk in 29.9min / EVAL: 76.7
#7 - Gary Harris - Chicago : 11.8pts, 47%, 3.5ast, 3.5rbd, 1.3stl, 0.2blk in 27.2min / EVAL: 76.3
#8 - Eric Gordon - Denver : 17.4pts, 41%, 2.1ast, 3.1rbd, 1.1stl, 0blk in 26.3min / EVAL: 76.1
#9 - Jimmy Butler - Oklahoma City : 12.2pts, 44%, 1.3ast, 4.1rbd, 1.1stl, 0.2blk in 25.9min / EVAL: 75.9
#10 - DeMar DeRozan - Los Angeles Lakers : 23.4pts, 48%, 1.6ast, 5rbd, 0.9stl, 0.2blk in 33.9min / EVAL: 75.8


Small Forward

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Durant, carrying the Spurs as usual.

#1 - Kevin Durant - San Antonio : 29.5pts, 48%, 3.5ast, 6.5rbd, 1.1stl, 0.7blk in 32min / EVAL: 97.8
#2 - Lebron James - Miami : 16.8pts, 47%, 2.7ast, 3.4rbd, 1.3stl, 0.7blk in 24.8min / EVAL: 92.4
#3 - Carmelo Anthony - Denver : 30.3pts, 46%, 2.2ast, 6.7rbd, 1.2stl, 0.3blk in 36.9min / EVAL: 86.3
#4 - Otto Porter - Sacramento : 15.8pts, 47%, 1.9ast, 7rbd, 2.8stl, 1.2blk in 34.7min / EVAL: 82.9
#5 - Jabari Parker - Philadelphia : 30.1pts, 44%, 2ast, 6.2rbd, 0.8stl, 0.3blk in 37.5min / EVAL: 82
#6 - Rudy Gay - Miami : 19.8pts, 46%, 2ast, 5.2rbd, 1.1stl, 0.5blk in 34.8min / EVAL: 79.2
#7 - Moe Harkless - Cleveland : 16.7pts, 55%, 1.4ast, 7.7rbd, 1.1stl, 0.8blk in 36.9min / EVAL: 77.5
#8 - Lance Stephenson - Dallas : 22.5pts, 48%, 1.4ast, 4.3rbd, 1.4stl, 0.1blk in 33.3min / EVAL: 77.4
#9 - Okaro White - Charlotte : 11.5pts, 50%, 1.6ast, 5.7rbd, 2.2stl, 2.4blk in 31.1min / EVAL: 76.8
#10 - Gordon Hayward - Utah : 12.2pts, 47%, 3.4ast, 3.4rbd, 1.6stl, 0.6blk in 27.4min / EVAL: 75.3


Power Forward

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“Time to really fear the brow”

#1 - Anthony Davis - New Orleans : 28.4pts, 60%, 1.1ast, 8.9rbd, 1.3stl, 2.5blk in 32.5min / EVAL: 104.9
#2 - Al Horford - Chicago : 20.6pts, 58%, 1.9ast, 9.8rbd, 1.4stl, 0.8blk in 27.9min / EVAL: 97.0
#3 - Kevin Love - Washington : 25.1pts, 50%, 1.2ast, 13.8rbd, 0.8stl, 0.3blk in 35.5min / EVAL: 94.2
#4 - Josh Smith - Boston : 20.6pts, 60%, 2.5ast, 6rbd, 1.1stl, 1.3blk in 28.3min / EVAL: 91.8
#5 - Tristan Thompson - Detroit : 17.1pts, 57%, 1.2ast, 9rbd, 1.2stl, 1.2blk in 30.7min / EVAL: 86.8
#6 - LaMarcus Aldridge - Charlotte : 18.5pts, 53%, 1.5ast, 6.5rbd, 0.7stl, 0.6blk in 33.8min / EVAL: 81.5
#7 - Derrick Favors - Utah : 15.6pts, 46%, 1.4ast, 9.7rbd, 1.4stl, 2.4blk in 32.1min / EVAL: 80.7
#8 - Isaiah Austin - Phoenix : 15.2pts, 54%, 3.3ast, 6.3rbd, 0.8stl, 2.5blk in 32.3min / EVAL: 80.5
#9 - Serge Ibaka - Brooklyn : 14.2pts, 53%, 1.5ast, 9.4rbd, 0.5stl, 2.4blk in 34.2min / EVAL: 79.7
#10 - Greg Monroe - Atlanta : 18.5pts, 46%, 1ast, 11.5rbd, 0.8stl, 0.6blk in 36.4min / EVAL: 79.7

Center

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Dwight Howard, playing his best basketball

#1 - Dwight Howard - Los Angeles Clippers : 22.4pts, 49%, 1.5ast, 11.8rbd, 1.6stl, 1.9blk in 30.1min / EVAL: 96.9
#2 - Al Jefferson - Boston : 19.7pts, 58%, 0.9ast, 6.5rbd, 0.7stl, 1blk in 28.4min / EVAL: 91.7
#3 - DeMarcus Cousins - Portland : 25.1pts, 54%, 0.8ast, 10.5rbd, 0.8stl, 0.8blk in 33.7min / EVAL: 91.1
#4 - Chris Bosh - Miami : 18.3pts, 60%, 0.8ast, 5.8rbd, 1.4stl, 0.8blk in 28.2min / EVAL: 86.5
#5 - Jonas Valanciunas - Milwaukee : 18.9pts, 51%, 1.3ast, 9.1rbd, 0.7stl, 2.6blk in 32.2min / EVAL: 84.5
#6 - Andre Drummond - Detroit : 12.8pts, 55%, 1.2ast, 8.5rbd, 1.5stl, 1.6blk in 29.6min / EVAL: 84.0
#7 - Marc Gasol - Indiana : 12.8pts, 48%, 1.6ast, 7.1rbd, 0.8stl, 1.4blk in 27.2min / EVAL: 83.5
#8 - Kenneth Faried - Houston : 17.6pts, 46%, 1.5ast, 13.2rbd, 1stl, 1.3blk in 35.5min / EVAL: 82.7
#9 - Enes Kanter - Toronto : 22.8pts, 48%, 1.1ast, 11.2rbd, 1stl, 0.5blk in 32.8min / EVAL: 82.7
#10 - Larry Sanders - Minnesota : 11.2pts, 54%, 0.5ast, 8.1rbd, 1.1stl, 2.5blk in 27.1min / EVAL: 81.1

Rookies
Only 9 rookies are over 20 minutes a game.

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Pick #6, Wesley Saunders, was the best new comer so far

#1 - Wesley Saunders - New Orleans : 9.8pts, 45%, 1.1ast, 2.1rbd, 0.7stl, 0blk in 20.6min / EVAL: 71.4
#2 - Trevor Lacey - Golden State : 8.7pts, 41%, 3.4ast, 2.9rbd, 0.3stl, 0blk in 28min / EVAL: 69.7
#3 - Aaron White - Los Angeles Lakers : 9.6pts, 52%, 2.3ast, 4.4rbd, 0.8stl, 0.4blk in 26.6min / EVAL: 67.6
#4 - T.J. McConnell - Los Angeles Lakers : 9.7pts, 47%, 6.3ast, 2.3rbd, 0.8stl, 0blk in 31.1min / EVAL: 67.4
#5 - Paul Zipser - New Orleans : 9.6pts, 53%, 2ast, 3.8rbd, 0.4stl, 1.1blk in 28.8min / EVAL: 67.3
#6 - David Stockton - Minnesota : 12.1pts, 50%, 2.5ast, 2.5rbd, 0.5stl, 0blk in 28.9min / EVAL: 64.9
#7 - Justin Anderson - Dallas : 8.3pts, 42%, 2.2ast, 3.6rbd, 0.4stl, 0.8blk in 27.6min / EVAL: 64.6
#8 - George DePaula - Cleveland : 7.2pts, 39%, 4.8ast, 3.2rbd, 0.1stl, 0blk in 20.2min / EVAL: 62.6
#9 - Eric Atkins - Denver : 5.5pts, 41%, 2.5ast, 2.1rbd, 0.1stl, 0blk in 21.6min / EVAL: 55.1
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Kemba is an absolute animal this season. No question he's been the top PG this year.

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Wow, what a great list this season. James Young is easily the one that surprised me the most however. One thing that I find strange is, where are the rookie stats? Is the rookie of the year going to average 9ppg? Lol
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Great stuff as usual. Kyrie Irving has been playing almost exclusively at the SG position which would put him as the #2 SG in the league, right where we would expect him to be.
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Rizzo wrote:Great stuff as usual. Kyrie Irving has been playing almost exclusively at the SG position which would put him as the #2 SG in the league, right where we would expect him to be.
Kemba and Dragic as well but as discussed last year, I keep the position defined in the roster since it can be tricky sometimes to determine the real position
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Rizzo wrote:Great stuff as usual. Kyrie Irving has been playing almost exclusively at the SG position which would put him as the #2 SG in the league, right where we would expect him to be.
Rookie class looks pretty weak this season...When you compare to year one where currently 21 players drafted that year are over 10pts a game, even more :D
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Wow - with the exception of Davis (who leads this list!) no other NOP starter graced any of the other positional lists.... but we got our two rookies into the top 5!!!!

Wasn't expecting that - huge nod to Wesley Saunders and his game - he may be joining the starters soon.....

Interested Chili, where did DeAndre rank? I know that offensive efficiency is a big part of this, and he's been pretty good for us.

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NanashiWake wrote:James Young is easily the one that surprised me the most however.
Hey, I'll take it ha!

Nice article Chili!
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Love those Raptor ++ ratings

Surprised, however, to see Dragic at 9. Comparing to Curry who is at 8 the only nag against Dragic is that he plays more minutes - is that why he slipped despite higher efficiency and production than a few others in top 10?
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Love this article been waiting all month for it!

As well as Kemba is playing I still underestimated him predicting Russell Westbrook would be the #1 PG in the League (also thought Kemba would be on the SG list). Wall behind Bledsoe surprised me as well.

Dwight has been tremendous this yr in the vaunted Single Post Offense and I have been keeping an eye on Kevin Love who is having a great season as well so props to those gm's for getting the most of their guys!

Anthony Davis is on an entirely other level this year as I think he raised his ++ Eval Rating.

Last but not least Paul George is amazing... did not expect this production last season but studied ratings enough to engineer a team to get the utmost out of his player ratings and he has been magnificent.

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Rose, Harris and Horford figuring right in the list.. Noah unfortunately didnt make it but, well, at least we have 3 guys playing great basketball at their positions!
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Surprised and disappointed jrue holiday didnt make it.

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Nice to see Dwight leading all centers and I really dig the emphasis on defense. EVAL formula is dope and I was looking forward to this article as well.
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Fun article as always. Not surprising to see SG is by far the weakest position, since a lot of starting SGs are technically labeled as PGs.

Happy to see Bledsoe in the top 5, as he's carrying my team (when he's been healthy). His raw numbers would actually be higher if it wasn't skewed by a game in which he played 1 minute thanks to an injury, but that doesn't effect his EVAL rating since it's based on minutes. I'm also happy to see Austin make it for the PF position. He's having a breakout year for us and his rating appears to reflect it.

This certainly isn't meant to be overly critical or whatnot, but I respectfully disagree that this article should be used to evaluate a player's value come trade or whatnot. It's skewed towards offensive players since it doesn't take into account PA/SF or stop %, as Chili admits. It's also a system that rewards players that play in a higher paced offense, since the faster pace means there will be more possessions on a per minute basis, and thus more pts, assists, rebs, blks, stls, etc. And that's not to mention that the system rewards a player's usage %, so a good player on a terrible team will look significantly better than an identical player on a good team because he'll get the ball a lot more.

This system certainly has value, but a lot of things need to be considered when someone comes to you with a trade offer.

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Nice article man!

Not shocked at all to see KD at the top of the Small Forwards. The poor guy has to do it all, surprised we don't ask him to sweep the floor before and after the games...
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Cool to see Melo at SF Top3, but that is most of NY games, so Go Gordon 8-) , SG Top8, nice! :P

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Sun Scorched wrote:Wow - with the exception of Davis (who leads this list!) no other NOP starter graced any of the other positional lists.... but we got our two rookies into the top 5!!!!

Wasn't expecting that - huge nod to Wesley Saunders and his game - he may be joining the starters soon.....

Interested Chili, where did DeAndre rank? I know that offensive efficiency is a big part of this, and he's been pretty good for us.
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andrei wrote:Love those Raptor ++ ratings

Surprised, however, to see Dragic at 9. Comparing to Curry who is at 8 the only nag against Dragic is that he plays more minutes - is that why he slipped despite higher efficiency and production than a few others in top 10?
The grade combine ratings grade and efficiency by minute.
Dragic is playing quite a lot but still really efficient (94). Curry (93) has better ratings at PG position (Ovr 84 vs 81)
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GreenBear wrote: This certainly isn't meant to be overly critical or whatnot, but I respectfully disagree that this article should be used to evaluate a player's value come trade or whatnot. It's skewed towards offensive players since it doesn't take into account PA/SF or stop %, as Chili admits. It's also a system that rewards players that play in a higher paced offense, since the faster pace means there will be more possessions on a per minute basis, and thus more pts, assists, rebs, blks, stls, etc. And that's not to mention that the system rewards a player's usage %, so a good player on a terrible team will look significantly better than an identical player on a good team because he'll get the ball a lot more.

This system certainly has value, but a lot of things need to be considered when someone comes to you with a trade offer.
The tool is used only as a base for the decision and it provides more information not displayed here
The grade you see is the overall ratings grade combined with the efficiency in game. I have also other indicators like the PG rating, the PF/C rating...

Bryce Cotton for example would be the best on the market at PG (Young, efficient 82, good rating 82, best PG ratings 345...) despite being #15 of the ranking right now

After I agree the statistics are improved with the path but again it represents 30% of the final note.
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