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[Dennis]

Porter interesting case though. Anyone an idea why he’s that low in preseason? I mean he’s basically a big man with a SF Skillset and a fairly good inside game

Check where he's shooting from. Large amount of 3-10 being chucked up at garbage efficiency last tim I checked

Yeah I noticed between default file and csl file there is a diff. In the default file Players nearly double as often shoot inside 0-3 (66%, 33% 3-10) while it’s in preseason of our file often Vice versa. 66% 3-10 and 33% in 0-3.

[OneNole]

In years past if a player had an fgi of 50 or a mid of 45 you could construe that that player would convert at that percentage (+/- a certain deviation each season) I dont know exactly how porter ratings converted when we switched to dds19 as my scouts are from 3 but porter had the highest fgi in the entire class. You would think a plaurr that was the best in his class would shoot better than 40% so close.

Zions fgi is in the 50s yet his conversion was crap too

[KW]

Porter interesting case though. Anyone an idea why he’s that low in preseason? I mean he’s basically a big man with a SF Skillset and a fairly good inside game

Check where he's shooting from. Large amount of 3-10 being chucked up at garbage efficiency last tim I checked

Yeah I noticed between default file and csl file there is a diff. In the default file Players nearly double as often shoot inside 0-3 (66%, 33% 3-10) while it’s in preseason of our file often Vice versa. 66% 3-10 and 33% in 0-3.

which is how it actually should be... check any player's shot chart in basketball-reference, even a small guard who relies on floaters instead of layups/dunks, basically nobody takes more shots from 3-10 than 0-3. well except Jokic and he's probably one of the GOATs from that range.

the problem with 19's defaults weren't the rate at which they shot them, it's the %s they shot them at

[Silogical]

Porter interesting case though. Anyone an idea why he’s that low in preseason? I mean he’s basically a big man with a SF Skillset and a fairly good inside game

Check where he's shooting from. Large amount of 3-10 being chucked up at garbage efficiency last tim I checked

Yeah I noticed between default file and csl file there is a diff. In the default file Players nearly double as often shoot inside 0-3 (66%, 33% 3-10) while it’s in preseason of our file often Vice versa. 66% 3-10 and 33% in 0-3.

It seems to get a good amount of 0-3 foot shots your player needs to be tall and heavy. Porter has the height and weight can be changed.

The reverse could be an issue. Zion is only 6'7" he might need to be converted into a SF.

[bt]

Check where he's shooting from. Large amount of 3-10 being chucked up at garbage efficiency last tim I checked

Yeah I noticed between default file and csl file there is a diff. In the default file Players nearly double as often shoot inside 0-3 (66%, 33% 3-10) while it’s in preseason of our file often Vice versa. 66% 3-10 and 33% in 0-3.

which is how it actually should be... check any player's shot chart in basketball-reference, even a small guard who relies on floaters instead of layups/dunks, basically nobody takes more shots from 3-10 than 0-3. well except Jokic and he's probably one of the GOATs from that range.

the problem with 19's defaults weren't the rate at which they shot them, it's the %s they shot them at

That last line is the key point as that shows the big change between the engines. I'm absolutely not having a go at the admins but it's confusing how this big a problem didn't show up during testing as there is obviously a major difference between the two games when it comes to how the inside ratings play out and how the inside game has transferred across which would require potential changes to the inside ratings.

But it might also not be a problem at all and is acting as intended as it all comes down to how you want to convert the league. You either try to match it up as best you can so that players play similar to before and adjust any ratings accordingly or you set a course going forward (want to fix the out of whack inside game or allow the new engine to do that) and then the GM's have to adjust accordingly all the while hoping that noses don't get out of joint as a player might not be what they once were.

[Silogical]

Bigmen got screwed from DDS3 to DDS19 and admins just laughed at us.

DDS19 biggest problem was small/skinny players dominating the post, so im glad gary fixed that to some degree. It would be impossible to make those small/skinny players do what they never shouldve done. Did keldon play any PF in DDS22? how did he do?

[KW]

Bigmen got screwed from DDS3 to DDS19 and admins just laughed at us.

DDS19 biggest problem was small/skinny players dominating the post, so im glad gary fixed that to some degree. It would be impossible to make those small/skinny players do what they never shouldve done. Did keldon play any PF in DDS22? how did he do?

I can answer for 6'6 200 Winslow, playing exclusively PF... it was not pretty at all

[Dennis]

Check where he's shooting from. Large amount of 3-10 being chucked up at garbage efficiency last tim I checked

Yeah I noticed between default file and csl file there is a diff. In the default file Players nearly double as often shoot inside 0-3 (66%, 33% 3-10) while it’s in preseason of our file often Vice versa. 66% 3-10 and 33% in 0-3.

which is how it actually should be... check any player's shot chart in basketball-reference, even a small guard who relies on floaters instead of layups/dunks, basically nobody takes more shots from 3-10 than 0-3. well except Jokic and he's probably one of the GOATs from that range.

the problem with 19's defaults weren't the rate at which they shot them, it's the %s they shot them at

I know you are often coming around with "nowadays NBA". But my point here is not the difference between CSL and NBA but that in DDS19 FG% was solid due to the fact 0-3 was strong and used often while 3-10 wasnt used too often but is/was worse than what you would see in NBA in DDS19.
Also, just checked Ja Morant and others last regular season... Ja had exactly double the FGA in 0-5ft compared to 5-9ft (8.6 vs 4.3).

[Dennis]

Bigmen got screwed from DDS3 to DDS19 and admins just laughed at us.

DDS19 biggest problem was small/skinny players dominating the post, so im glad gary fixed that to some degree. It would be impossible to make those small/skinny players do what they never shouldve done. Did keldon play any PF in DDS22? how did he do?

Keldon didnt even play any games at PF in the playoffs.. He played like 5 games at PF for some mintes. So I think we cant even evaluate how "good" Keldon was at PF in DDS19

[Andrewu91]

Bigmen got screwed from DDS3 to DDS19 and admins just laughed at us.

DDS19 biggest problem was small/skinny players dominating the post, so im glad gary fixed that to some degree. It would be impossible to make those small/skinny players do what they never shouldve done. Did keldon play any PF in DDS22? how did he do?

Keldon didnt even play any games at PF in the playoffs.. He played like 5 games at PF for some mintes. So I think we cant even evaluate how "good" Keldon was at PF in DDS19

I can evaluate Keldon just fine. Wasn't called keldon "cheat code" for nothing. He exploited the heavier power forwards and centers. Remember our 4 page back and forth a few months ago? I forget that long ago so I may need to do some digging, but I know anyone over 230lbs against a 6'6 200lb, the bigger guy was exploited.

I mean look at the Nets in Preseason and what Jay Crowder did. Career highs at 32 years old with his low weight and high steal/defense ratings.

I'm not sure if that bug is completely fixed but I may need to wait and see once the season starts and we are 30 games in.

This was preseason after all.

[Silogical]

Bigmen got screwed from DDS3 to DDS19 and admins just laughed at us.

DDS19 biggest problem was small/skinny players dominating the post, so im glad gary fixed that to some degree. It would be impossible to make those small/skinny players do what they never shouldve done. Did keldon play any PF in DDS22? how did he do?

Keldon didnt even play any games at PF in the playoffs.. He played like 5 games at PF for some mintes. So I think we cant even evaluate how "good" Keldon was at PF in DDS19

I can evaluate Keldon just fine. Wasn't called keldon "cheat code" for nothing. He exploited the heavier power forwards and centers. Remember our 4 page back and forth a few months ago? I forget that long ago so I may need to do some digging, but I know anyone over 230lbs against a 6'6 200lb, the bigger guy was exploited.

I mean look at the Nets in Preseason and what Jay Crowder did. Career highs at 32 years old with his low weight and high steal/defense ratings.

I'm not sure if that bug is completely fixed but I may need to wait and see once the season starts and we are 30 games in.

This was preseason after all.

Leave it to rizzo to be the 1st to game the engine. That's his thing.

[Rizzo]

I’ll be honest I did T even realize how small and light Crowder is. Didn’t mean to play him at PF as an exploit. We just don’t have many options at PF besides him and Vezenkov and I want Vez more on the wing to shoot.

[Rizzo]

Leave it to rizzo to be the 1st to game the engine. That's his thing.

Literally posted this while I was posting my response.

[Silogical]

Leave it to rizzo to be the 1st to game the engine. That's his thing.

Literally posted this while I was posting my response.

Didnt even realize he was so small was the exact same excuse you used for derrickson

all joking aside I dont see what crowder did at PF all that bad. I could see him doing that at SF.

[Rizzo]

Well I returned from my hiatus and Derrickson was already super light and didn’t even realize. Just habit to make him lose weight because he came in so overweight lol.

[andrei]

This is actually a problem - all of Nets top lineups include 195lbs Jae at PF. So we're back to undersized big men

[andrei]

Also, comparing my team numbers to 2019 - I see 0-3 was extremely high % shooting. Jevon Carter who can't shoot shit was 86% from 0-3 last year. Looking at his scouts, dude has no Dunk rate, minimum Rim rate and his Rim % is 39 at best. How did he get to 86% - on 50 attempts at that? So now we seem to reflect the reality a bit more.

[andrei]

Having said that RIm rate does appear to be too low. From the draft page Doom's Rim rate is 41% which I assume is 41% of shots made in the Post. However, his 0-3 (which I assume is Rim) is only 20% of all Paint shots (13% of total shots).

[Rizzo]

This is actually a problem - all of Nets top lineups include 195lbs Jae at PF. So we're back to undersized big men

But I imagine all of those lineups have Ayton in it. I think Ayton is arguably the best player in the league right now. I understand undersize PF could still be a bit OP, and again I didn’t mean to use him there as an exploit, so if it’s decided that they are still OP I will willingly move him to SF and play Vezenkov at PF.

[Silogical]

Having said that RIm rate does appear to be too low. From the draft page Doom's Rim rate is 41% which I assume is 41% of shots made in the Post. However, his 0-3 (which I assume is Rim) is only 20% of all Paint shots (13% of total shots).

pref work plays the biggest role in rim rate.

if you want that 41% you need
100 Post
13 Drive&Shoot
Post focus offense
play him at PF or C
needs to be taller and heavier

Even then it might not be enough, its not enough for simmons. if rim rate meant more than it does high rim rate players would dominate the league.