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RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: Chilikonkarne » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:57 pm

For those who don’t know RAPTOR++, it is a tool that combine the ratings of each player (70%) and his efficiency in game (30%). Their capacities are weighted in order to value good rebounding for bigs for example.
The % in game is also considered in the ratings which probably change the balance from 70/30 to 60/40.

The tool premiere objective is to evaluate players value when it comes to trade or free agency. It has it flaws with some defensive aspects not taken into consideration (%STP, PA/SF).
However, I believe it bring a good overview in general and was well received the last years by the league.
I decided not to include team record since I like to compare the players over the years.

2020 - Stanley Johnson Jr. - Oklahoma_City_Thunder : 26.8pts, 48%, 1.1ast, 11.1rbd, 1.1stl, 0.7blk in 34.2min / EVAL: 90.9
2019 - Stanley Johnson Jr. - Oklahoma_City_Thunder : 22.5pts, 45%, 1.1ast, 10.4rbd, 0.9stl, 0.5blk in 32.7min / EVAL: 86.5
2018 - Stanley Johnson Jr. - Oklahoma_City_Thunder : 20.3pts, 48%, 1.1ast, 10.5rbd, 0.8stl, 0.4blk in 30.3min / EVAL: 85.7
2017 - Stanley Johnson Jr. - San_Antonio_Spurs : 14pts, 44%, 1.1ast, 6.6rbd, 0.6stl, 0.3blk in 28.3min / EVAL: 71.8


Filter : A player has to play more than 20 minutes a game and at least 25 games to be eligible.

Here we go for the Top10 ranking by position - second edition of the season!

Point Guard

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Damian is leading one of the good surprise in the West : The 24-18 Clippers

#1 - John Wall - Brooklyn_Nets : 21.6pts, 44%, 5.7ast, 4.5rbd, 1.4stl, 0.8blk in 33.3min / EVAL: 94.6
#2 - Kemba Walker - Detroit_Pistons : 22.3pts, 44%, 5.1ast, 4rbd, 2.3stl, 0.6blk in 34.1min / EVAL: 93.8
#3 - Eric Bledsoe - Phoenix_Suns : 16.9pts, 44%, 8.8ast, 3.7rbd, 2.1stl, 1blk in 31.3min / EVAL: 93.4
#4 - Stephen Curry - Dallas_Mavericks : 19.8pts, 52%, 5.8ast, 3.7rbd, 1.6stl, 0.1blk in 32.7min / EVAL: 92.6
#5 - Kyrie Irving - Cleveland_Cavaliers : 24.6pts, 46%, 4.7ast, 3.7rbd, 1.4stl, 0.3blk in 32.7min / EVAL: 92.3
#6 - Damian Lillard - Los_Angeles_Clippers : 25.7pts, 43%, 5.9ast, 4.1rbd, 1.1stl, 0.5blk in 36.2min / EVAL: 88.8
#7 - Jeremy Lin - Toronto_Raptors : 13.4pts, 46%, 7.8ast, 3.5rbd, 1.5stl, 0.5blk in 29.7min / EVAL: 87.7
#8 - Cory Joseph - Toronto_Raptors : 13.6pts, 47%, 5.3ast, 3.7rbd, 0.8stl, 0.8blk in 25.5min / EVAL: 86.6
#9 - Mike Conley - Boston_Celtics : 13.4pts, 45%, 5.5ast, 2.9rbd, 0.9stl, 0.2blk in 27.5min / EVAL: 86.5
#10 - Derrick Rose - San_Antonio_Spurs : 22.9pts, 48%, 5.3ast, 4.1rbd, 0.7stl, 0.5blk in 38.2min / EVAL: 85.9


Behind (Teodosic, Payton, Cotton)

Shooting Guard

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#1 - Paul George - Dallas_Mavericks : 28.2pts, 49%, 4.4ast, 8.7rbd, 1.7stl, 1blk in 34.7min / EVAL: 99.3
#2 - Dante Exum - Utah_Jazz : 27.9pts, 52%, 4ast, 4.6rbd, 1.9stl, 1.6blk in 36.9min / EVAL: 93.8
#3 - Russell Westbrook - Sacramento_Kings : 23.6pts, 46%, 4.7ast, 4.7rbd, 1.8stl, 0.2blk in 31.2min / EVAL: 92.1
#4 - Marcus Smart - Portland_Trailblazers : 20.2pts, 51%, 4.4ast, 6rbd, 2.5stl, 0.1blk in 36min / EVAL: 86.5
#5 - Victor Oladipo - Detroit_Pistons : 13.4pts, 50%, 3.4ast, 3.9rbd, 1.9stl, 0.5blk in 31.1min / EVAL: 81.8
#6 - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope - Detroit_Pistons : 15.2pts, 46%, 3.1ast, 3.7rbd, 1.3stl, 0.4blk in 30.5min / EVAL: 78.6
#7 - Dion Waiters - Brooklyn_Nets : 16.7pts, 40%, 3.9ast, 3.5rbd, 1.3stl, 0.6blk in 30.5min / EVAL: 77.9
#8 - Nick Johnson - Toronto_Raptors : 14.7pts, 48%, 1.7ast, 4.1rbd, 0.6stl, 1.4blk in 28.5min / EVAL: 77.3
#9 - Isaiah Taylor - Phoenix_Suns : 21.9pts, 54%, 1.3ast, 3.3rbd, 1.3stl, 0blk in 32.5min / EVAL: 76.5
#10 - Goran Dragic - Houston_Rockets : 11.9pts, 49%, 3.2ast, 2.8rbd, 0.5stl, 0blk in 23.6min / EVAL: 76.1


Behind (Harris, McLemore, Murray)

Small Forward

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With 30.1ppg, Jabari is calling for help! #FreeJabari

#1 - Kevin Durant - Golden_State_Warriors : 24.8pts, 52%, 2.8ast, 4.9rbd, 0.9stl, 0.9blk in 30.4min / EVAL: 92.7
#2 - James Harden - Golden_State_Warriors : 27.5pts, 51%, 4.1ast, 4.6rbd, 1.7stl, 0.6blk in 33.5min / EVAL: 90.3
#3 - Jabari Parker - Philadelphia_Sixers : 30.1pts, 50%, 1.2ast, 6.3rbd, 0.7stl, 0.5blk in 37.1min / EVAL: 86.4
#4 - Kawhi Leonard - Toronto_Raptors : 19.7pts, 52%, 1.3ast, 6.7rbd, 1.7stl, 0.6blk in 32.3min / EVAL: 86.1
#5 - Klay Thompson - Houston_Rockets : 20.4pts, 46%, 2.5ast, 4.7rbd, 1.2stl, 0.5blk in 30.5min / EVAL: 81.4
#6 - Lance Stephenson - Toronto_Raptors : 18.4pts, 54%, 1.2ast, 3.1rbd, 1.1stl, 0.2blk in 26min / EVAL: 81.3
#7 - Harrison Barnes - Memphis_Grizzlies : 13.2pts, 50%, 1.1ast, 5.2rbd, 1.1stl, 0.5blk in 26.5min / EVAL: 80.3
#8 - Justise Winslow - Indiana_Pacers : 17.9pts, 42%, 1.8ast, 6.8rbd, 1.9stl, 1.6blk in 33.2min / EVAL: 80.2
#9 - Gordon Hayward - Portland_Trailblazers : 12.4pts, 48%, 2.3ast, 2.8rbd, 1.1stl, 0.5blk in 23.6min / EVAL: 79.0
#10 - Damien Inglis - Indiana_Pacers : 10.4pts, 54%, 0.8ast, 3.6rbd, 1stl, 0.8blk in 22min / EVAL: 78.8


Behind (Porter, White, Young)

Power Forward

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Best scorer and rebounder of the CSL

#1 - Anthony Davis - New_Orleans_Pelicans : 21.3pts, 58%, 0.8ast, 8.7rbd, 1stl, 2.2blk in 29.3min / EVAL: 100.2
#2 - Blake Griffin - Cleveland_Cavaliers : 24.5pts, 59%, 2.6ast, 9.1rbd, 1.5stl, 0.8blk in 30.1min / EVAL: 99.6
#3 - Kevin Love - Minnesota_Timberwolves : 31.4pts, 48%, 0.6ast, 12.5rbd, 0.7stl, 0.4blk in 36.1min / EVAL: 95.0
#4 - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist - Phoenix_Suns : 14.9pts, 57%, 1.1ast, 6.7rbd, 1.3stl, 1.3blk in 26.4min / EVAL: 85.3
#5 - Lebron James - Dallas_Mavericks : 18.2pts, 55%, 3.4ast, 6.1rbd, 1.1stl, 0.3blk in 31.2min / EVAL: 82.9
#6 - Richard Solomon - Sacramento_Kings : 11.8pts, 53%, 1.8ast, 6.5rbd, 0.9stl, 0.8blk in 27.2min / EVAL: 82.3
#7 - Derrick Favors - Golden_State_Warriors : 17.5pts, 49%, 1.2ast, 10.4rbd, 0.9stl, 2blk in 33.9min / EVAL: 81.6
#8 - Thaddeus Young - Toronto_Raptors : 14.6pts, 54%, 1.5ast, 7.1rbd, 1.8stl, 0.5blk in 28.4min / EVAL: 81.1
#9 - Aaron Gordon - Boston_Celtics : 14pts, 55%, 1.1ast, 7.1rbd, 0.9stl, 1.5blk in 28.1min / EVAL: 81.0
#10 - Ben Simmons - Miami_Heat : 15pts, 43%, 3.4ast, 7.6rbd, 1stl, 1.1blk in 30.2min / EVAL: 80.4

Behind (Okafor, Harrell, Green)

Center

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#1 - Andre Drummond - Orlando_Magic : 17pts, 60%, 1ast, 8.1rbd, 0.9stl, 2blk in 27.2min / EVAL: 92.1
#2 - DeMarcus Cousins - Toronto_Raptors : 23.6pts, 53%, 1ast, 10.1rbd, 0.8stl, 1blk in 31.4min / EVAL: 91.4
#3 - Stanley Johnson Jr. - Oklahoma_City_Thunder : 26.8pts, 48%, 1.1ast, 11.1rbd, 1.1stl, 0.7blk in 34.2min / EVAL: 90.9
#4 - Kristaps Porzingis - Houston_Rockets : 18.1pts, 50%, 1.1ast, 7.6rbd, 0.8stl, 2blk in 27.7min / EVAL: 88.3
#5 - Al Horford - Portland_Trailblazers : 19.4pts, 56%, 1.2ast, 9.4rbd, 0.8stl, 1.3blk in 32min / EVAL: 86.3
#6 - Hassan Whiteside - Detroit_Pistons : 10pts, 60%, 0.7ast, 8.2rbd, 0.8stl, 2.1blk in 24.1min / EVAL: 84.3
#7 - Joel Embiid - Orlando_Magic : 14pts, 58%, 0.9ast, 7.4rbd, 0.6stl, 1.6blk in 26.2min / EVAL: 84.3
#8 - Karl-Anthony Towns - Atlanta_Hawks : 14.8pts, 49%, 1.1ast, 6.8rbd, 1stl, 2blk in 28.5min / EVAL: 84.2
#9 - Kenneth Faried - Utah_Jazz : 13.9pts, 55%, 1.2ast, 9.6rbd, 2stl, 1.4blk in 32.2min / EVAL: 83.9
#10 - JaVale McGee - Brooklyn_Nets : 13.9pts, 52%, 0.6ast, 7.7rbd, 0.8stl, 2blk in 23.1min / EVAL: 83.1


Behind (Valanciunas, Turner, Monroe)

Rookie

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21.4ppg in one of the best team of the league and only #4? Historical class from talent point of view

#1 - Milos Teodosic - Washington_Wizards : 19.9pts, 50%, 4.2ast, 2.4rbd, 0.3stl, 0blk in 31.2min / EVAL: 85.4
#2 - Ben Simmons - Miami_Heat : 15pts, 43%, 3.4ast, 7.6rbd, 1stl, 1.1blk in 30.2min / EVAL: 80.4
#3 - Joshua Smith - Miami_Heat : 13.8pts, 50%, 1.1ast, 7.4rbd, 1stl, 1.4blk in 26.9min / EVAL: 77.5
#4 - Isaiah Taylor - Phoenix_Suns : 21.9pts, 54%, 1.3ast, 3.3rbd, 1.3stl, 0blk in 32.5min / EVAL: 76.5
#5 - Daniel Hamilton - Miami_Heat : 14.2pts, 43%, 3.2ast, 5.7rbd, 0.7stl, 0.9blk in 31.5min / EVAL: 75.9
#6 - Gary Payton II - Houston_Rockets : 8.9pts, 46%, 5.2ast, 2.3rbd, 0.5stl, 0blk in 26.1min / EVAL: 75.3
#7 - Travis Trice - Boston_Celtics : 6.8pts, 44%, 4.7ast, 1.8rbd, 0.6stl, 0blk in 20.5min / EVAL: 73.7
#8 - Isaiah Cousins - Sacramento_Kings : 7.6pts, 46%, 3.4ast, 2.3rbd, 1stl, 0blk in 24.2min / EVAL: 73.6
#9 - Maodo Lo - Cleveland_Cavaliers : 13.5pts, 44%, 3.7ast, 1.6rbd, 1stl, 0blk in 29min / EVAL: 71.7
#10 - Traevon Jackson - Denver_Nuggets : 15.8pts, 43%, 1ast, 1.8rbd, 0.5stl, 0blk in 27.4min / EVAL: 71.0


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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: hardenwithnod » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:07 pm

Good stuff as usual man, nice to see Teodosic, and Harris getting mentioned here.
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: KW » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:11 pm

If Porzingis is the 4th best center while he's still 5-8 points away in basically every rating, he's going to be a god someday when those potentials are actually fulfilled.

Cool to see Dragic listed as the 10th best SG, Klay the 5th best SF, and Payton as the 6th best rookie. Studs.
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Post Author: Dennis » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:22 pm

Shocked that skal didn't even make the honourable mentions
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: Andrewu91 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 6:37 pm

Andre Drummond is a beast
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: OneNole » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:05 pm

currys efficiency has dropped slightly which seems to have hurt but poor ibaka. he used to always be on this list. tough being 4th fiddle
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: WillyJakkz » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:07 pm

Great to see Embiid trending up and I look forward to getting Wiggins in the mix to see where I can get him on the SG list since that's where he will play here in ORL. Gonna be a challenge.
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Post Author: mgtr81 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:02 pm

Good work as usual. Some of these players will be our targets this offseason.
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: Chilikonkarne » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:18 pm

Dennis wrote:Shocked that skal didn't even make the honourable mentions
19.8 minutes so he doesn't meet the 20 minutes criteria
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Post Author: Rizzo » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:51 pm

Wall #1, Waiters #7 (with a bad slump), JaVale McGee #10 and Myles Turner #12? I can get down with that!
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: bt » Thu Mar 22, 2018 10:15 pm

Rookies very different to Silogicals. Taylor ranked 4th here and for us, Cousins near last versus 8th here.
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: GreenBear » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:37 pm

bt wrote:Rookies very different to Silogicals. Taylor ranked 4th here and for us, Cousins near last versus 8th here.
Yeah, it's been discussed here before. Silogical's ratings are based purely on the player's stats that season, whereas Chili's is a combination of some stats and player ratings.
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: blackice » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:38 pm

Really good stuff, glad to see Dame represented but I'm surprised Monroe didn't crack the top 10. Close to 20/10 though I understand the case for the other big ahead. Always enjoy this series.

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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: bt » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:13 am

GreenBear wrote:
bt wrote:Rookies very different to Silogicals. Taylor ranked 4th here and for us, Cousins near last versus 8th here.
Yeah, it's been discussed here before. Silogical's ratings are based purely on the player's stats that season, whereas Chili's is a combination of some stats and player ratings.
Ah, okay. Makes sense, thanks.
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Post Author: emplep7 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:34 pm

Some representation here from our team and happy with how KCP and Dipo are playing right now. Hoping our PFs can get on that list by seasons end. Going to miss these ratings when you're gone.
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: Marcos_Beck » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:47 pm

Next year we'll have one rookie there, possibly even two.
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Post Author: Andrewu91 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:36 am

Marcos_Beck wrote:Next year we'll have one rookie there, possibly even two.
Same
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Year 3 - 40-42
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: Dennis » Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:54 pm

Andrewu91 wrote:
Marcos_Beck wrote:Next year we'll have one rookie there, possibly even two.
Same
Hopefully we will have one too on here. Next year also skal and co get unleashed
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Post Author: Andrewu91 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:43 pm

Looking forward to the next one
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Year 2 - 36-46 - Stanley era begins
Year 3 - 40-42
Year 4 - 46-36 - CSL Playoffs
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Re: RAPTOR++ / Second Edition 2020-2021 CSL Season

Post Author: WillyJakkz » Sat May 12, 2018 3:10 am

Andrewu91 wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:43 pm
Looking forward to the next one
Yeah I'm eagerly awaiting the next and perhaps last article of this since chili is leaving :(
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