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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: GreenBear » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:13 pm

Jestor wrote:
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I think a few GMs cheaped out in getting AD
People got cute and didn’t step up, and there was a deadline by tonight or they couldn’t go through due to four team getting processed.
I can’t and won’t speak for any other teams (as I’m sure there were others contacted), but I can speak for my own. Me missing out on AD had nothing to do with getting “cute”. I honestly had no idea that AD was even being shopped until I received a PM late Saturday night. After a quick review, it appears NOP’s trade block was updated Friday evening and again on Saturday, which is great. But I don’t typically check the forums much over the weekend unless I get a PM, or there’s something going on over the weekend that I’m aware of (i.e. upcoming trade deadline, draft, etc.).

Even after I discovered AD was being shopped, I had no idea there was an artificial deadline. I was still processing the offer / thinking of potential counters when the AD deal got posted. I’m not a GM that rushes negotiations, unless there’s an impending deadline (i.e. trade deadline, or upcoming draft pick, etc.). Even if it’s a deal I like, I usually take a bit to give myself time to fully digest it and potentially think of anything I may have missed, before accepting. Similarly, I never rush GMs into accepting a deal either (again, unless there’s an impending deadline). I think some GMs are nervous to trade with me because my team has been good for a long, long time. But that has more to do with drafting than anything else. Every major contributor on my team (except Okaro) has been drafted: Shaq, Taylor, Austin, Collins, Ferguson, Whiteahead, Beasley. I know my system very well, and I’m good at drafting players that fit that system.

I don’t think it’s any secret that I could’ve beaten that deal (even Marcos has admitted as much), but there was clearly a breakdown in communication. It happens. Not the end of the world. Marcus is clearly happy with the return he got or he wouldn’t have accepted, and I’m not going to lose any sleep over missing out on AD because I don’t live on the forums over the weekend.
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: emplep7 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:47 pm

Yeah, people didn't get cute. A fake two day deadline for a top 2 player in the league was set, which I've never heard of for that type of player in any sim league.
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: WillyJakkz » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:15 pm

Jestor wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:40 am
Cleasby wrote:
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I think a few GMs cheaped out in getting AD
That’s pretty much exactly what happened. These deals were figured out like Thursday night, but Marcus wanted to shop AD over the weekend. People got cute and didn’t step up, and there was a deadline by tonight or they couldn’t go through due to four team getting processed.
Oh I get it. "Cheaping out" and "getting cute" gm's must be some facebook chat info lol
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: WillyJakkz » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:18 pm

Ftr I believe most guys aren't really as mad at the AD trade by New Orleans, I think they are more threatened by what Marcos will get in return when he trades him on draft day.

Because let's face it, marcos ain't keeping him lol
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: Marcos_Beck » Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:42 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:
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Ftr I believe most guys aren't really as mad at the AD trade by New Orleans, I think they are more threatened by what Marcos will get in return when he trades him on draft day.

Because let's face it, marcos ain't keeping him lol
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: Ocons » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:14 pm

Wait. What in the actual F just happened? I haven't been active much but I can't make out which of the 47 deals for Lillard actually went through and/or why they are able to be posted and re-posted and added and subtracted to. That still boils me up. As if teams send a deal in to the league office and then come back later on and say. . . wait, we're going to add two more teams. LOL

Because of that, I can't even comment on who did well or not because I don't know who went where in the end.

I will say that it is funny because over time I have been asked to add to KP for Lauri - or heard the comparisons and I've offered KP +++ numerous times for AD over the years (to multiple GMs) but couldn't get anything.

In the end, I'm good. Just wild how quickly values change.
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Post Author: Ocons » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:26 pm

LOL. This is too much. I should have read around first but the new posts thread for me is too damn long.

The rescinded part from LALA land and the near begging from Marcos because they found a "solution" (AKA he stole AD instead). Classic, classic stuff from some all time greats.
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Post Author: Dennis » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:58 pm

Boy I honestly would love working with Kevin. I think you can have so much fun with him haha
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: drumr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:49 pm

Flaming Homer wrote:
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I like the deal for the Pelicans
I thought so :lol:

Doug and Marcos do too
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: drumr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:50 pm

emplep7 wrote:
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Yeah, people didn't get cute. A fake two day deadline for a top 2 player in the league was set, which I've never heard of for that type of player in any sim league.
This.
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: drumr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:52 pm

Ocons wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:26 pm
LOL. This is too much. I should have read around first but the new posts thread for me is too damn long.

The rescinded part from LALA land and the near begging from Marcos because they found a "solution" (AKA he stole AD instead). Classic, classic stuff from some all time greats.
Lmfao I wasn't gonna point that out but that was what I thought as well.
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: drumr » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:32 pm

To be clear what I thought was he meant "upgrade" not solution. A lot of stuff getting hashed out and I don't need Marcos thinking we have beef lol. All things concidered this is only a 7 ot 8 and the CSL drama scale.
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: Silogical » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:14 pm

I think moving AD for the best return was the right move. Waiting until he's 31 and expecting more would have been a mistake. Did he max out his return? I dont know I wasnt shopping AD, but looking at the Orlando and Boston offer it doesnt look like he missed out on too much value. I traded Lebron in his prime and got much worse than what NOP got, and I shopped him hard sending out 8 offers to every one i received. At the end of the day I wasnt happy with the return but it was the right move that needed to be made.

Klay for his 1st was the mistake, that put him in an awkward position.

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Post Author: OneNole » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:34 am

Lebron was no AD due to his weight. I know of one other team that was mulling a deal but didnt have time to decide. I also think if new Orleans wanted they could have and should have pushed for Payne. I think at that point they would have avoided the backlash.
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Post Author: drumr » Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:37 am

That's true Payne would have made the deal much better for NO.
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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: Flaming Homer » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:00 am

Silogical wrote:
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I dont know I wasnt shopping AD, but looking at the Orlando and Boston offer it doesnt look like he missed out on too much value.
Hmm, I would love Mitchell and the 24 OKC pick!!
Even Mitchell alone I would prefer over Lauri.

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Post Author: Marcos_Beck » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:05 am

Payne, well, the initial deal included Payne instead of Lillard.
New Orleans asked for Lillard instead.
Can’t blame him, I’ve had both and I’d much rather Lillard myself as well.
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Post Author: Andrewu91 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:40 am

Can we please take a moment a realize the thief that is Marcos. When I deal with someone, I expect a good person. But when he and I agreed to the OKC first for Leonard deal, he backed out. It took mods to convince him for two days to go through with it. His response to me "I don't trust you. Deal with it".

There's good guys and bad guys in this league, and we all know who are which. I almost got screwed out of the Leonard deal, when Marcos knew I had three deals lined up, relating to our trade. But... He still wanted to back out. When shit doesn't go his way, he runs. That's Marcos.

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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: Silogical » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:48 am

OneNole wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:34 am
Lebron was no AD due to his weight. I know of one other team that was mulling a deal but didnt have time to decide. I also think if new Orleans wanted they could have and should have pushed for Payne. I think at that point they would have avoided the backlash.
Lebron was a dominant PF on my team League MVP 32.5 PER. Weight is not an issue for PFs. He sucked on your team because you didnt know how to use him.

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Re: Trade Chatter

Post Author: Silogical » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:50 am

Silogical wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:48 am
OneNole wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:34 am
Lebron was no AD due to his weight. I know of one other team that was mulling a deal but didnt have time to decide. I also think if new Orleans wanted they could have and should have pushed for Payne. I think at that point they would have avoided the backlash.
Lebron was a dominant PF on my team League MVP 32.5 PER. Weight is not an issue for PFs. He sucked on your team because you didnt know how to use him.
correction he was a 34.8 PER and .663 TS% on my team

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