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sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Silogical » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:04 am

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Sophomores are crushing it so far, and Ball hasnt made an appearance yet. Ntilikina, Kuzma, and Bird are all performing well below my expectations, but those teams occasionally run high pace high zone, and those strats are suboptimal for this ladder. All stats shown are used plus ST%, PA/SF, FTA and whether the player is playing against opposing teams benches or starters. The most weight goes towards steals, O rebounds, blocks, and TS%.

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IT at PF results get a piece below the ladder because the results are idential to Hezonjas results. There isnt much more to say. Playing a small guy against bigger opponents lead to better stats except assists, but it also leads to fewer wins. It is similar to padding a centers stats running Single post. Your center will go for 30-20 but you wont win very many games.

The optimal strats for Taylor at PF were used 3pace 66 5zone ISO. The strats used for SG were just a clone of the optimal PF strats. (ITs scoring rating was slightly higher in the tests then CSL, they were the same for both sides so it doesnt change the results. You can take any guard play him in the post and get the same results. better individual stats at the expense of team wins.

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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Andrewu91 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:03 am

Hahaha at "the captain"

And shit, how did I beat you in the finals again? Like a magician with this system
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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: emplep7 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:06 am

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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Flaming Homer » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:13 am

Nice work.
1 year more experience really makes a difference.
and reminds me to put my own ranking together!

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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: hardenwithnod » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:26 am

Good stuff as usual, sucks that Rabb is out for the year.
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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Jestor » Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:45 am

Bagley clocking in at 11 despite being super raw and controlled minutes. Man, I can't wait to keep developing him.

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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: WillyJakkz » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:14 am

De'Aaron Fox seems like he's been in the League longer than 2yrs lol, great player

Some of these guys need more mins
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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: BizGilwalker » Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:19 am

Good stuff. Monk is crushing my expectations for him this year. I thought the low endurance would hold him back much like it did last season, but that hasn't been the case. He's been fantastic, especially since I made him and Kemba swap positions.

Zach Collins and Semi Ojeleye are big surprises. They've had solid seasons.

What percentages did IT shoot in those trials? Where did his shots come from? Defensive stats? +/-? It's fairly useless without that knowledge since the stats aren't terribly different.

I'll be honest I don't think this was a good example to choose. It's well documented that height doesn't matter a whole lot, but with Taylor, you've picked a guard that has the interior scoring ratings of a PF or C, draws fouls at near Harden levels, and is total garbage from three. We know that frontcourt players always get more shots in the paint than perimeter players. Taylor having a high 50s FGD, great handles, high SCR, and high DRFL is a lethal combination and the closer you get him to the basket, the more he is going to score.

Offensively, the game doesn't care he is 63 pounds less than Harden was when I played him there. Defensively, I want to know what a 160 pounder does on defense at PF. Fat Harden was 223, and it was the only position at which he wasn't a turnstile. If I had to guess, 223 is fairly close to the average weight of a PF in this league currently anyway.
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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Silogical » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:51 am

BizGilwalker wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:19 am


I'll be honest I don't think this was a good example to choose. It's well documented that height doesn't matter a whole lot, but with Taylor, you've picked a guard that has the interior scoring ratings of a PF or C, draws fouls at near Harden levels, and is total garbage from three. We know that frontcourt players always get more shots in the paint than perimeter players. Taylor having a high 50s FGD, great handles, high SCR, and high DRFL is a lethal combination and the closer you get him to the basket, the more he is going to score.

Offensively, the game doesn't care he is 63 pounds less than Harden was when I played him there. Defensively, I want to know what a 160 pounder does on defense at PF. Fat Harden was 223, and it was the only position at which he wasn't a turnstile. If I had to guess, 223 is fairly close to the average weight of a PF in this league currently anyway.
I used IT because he was perfect to exploit the system. I thought if there was a guard you can play in the post and win games it would be IT. Taylor even with a boosted SCR rating and ISO offense couldnt win more games at PF than SG. I wasnt keeping track of advanced stats, but stats dont change much from sim to sim so i simmed a few extra rounds. Inside he's over .6TS% outside hes under .6TS% but his FG% from inside is better as a guard. His inside:outside ratio is just better as a post player. Conclusion: FGI not counting dunks/layups you are much better off facing a smaller opponent.

Here are the likely reasons why playing small doesnt result in wins despite padded stats.
Fouls and minutes IT fouled .6 times more per game at PF
tougher inside shots against bigger defenders
easier inside shots for your opponent.

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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Dennis » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:19 am

Damn no Celtic despite fox made the list.
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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Rizzo » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:00 am

Ayton at #16 and the 5th highest rated rookie. Not bad but man I wish he had gotten some sort of boost during TC. Going to be a slow build with him I feel like.
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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Dennis » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:02 am

Rizzo wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:00 am
Ayton at #16 and the 5th highest rated rookie. Not bad but man I wish he had gotten some sort of boost during TC. Going to be a slow build with him I feel like.
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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Rizzo » Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:28 am

Dennis wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:02 am
Bust
Go back to being silent!!!! :twisted:

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Re: sophomore/rookie ladder + IT

Post Author: Myles » Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:53 pm

Josh Jackson has still been an incredible defender still but his shooting has really fallen off this year. I'm hoping he gets it back.

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